Interview – Get to Know the Clemson Tigers with Chapel Fowler

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Chapel Fowler of The State newspaper stopped by to introduce us to Duke’s first opponent of the season, the Clemson Tigers. We talked about the strengths and the unknowns of the Tigers, how the Blue Devils will match up with Clemson on Labor Day and we dropped our win-loss predictions towards the end. You’ll learn that the Tigers have a lot of depth, a good running game and a new coordinator who likes to run the ball.

And the Duke FB Talk guys get a mention, too!

As if that weren’t enough, we get to know a little more about The State Guild and drop a reference to the IWW. As an aside, the IWW has an interesting history which you guys should take some time to read up on. We also briefly mention the history of unions in the South. That’s something that our history classes don’t devote enough time to.

Chapel was a great, informative guest who has a bright future in the business. I appreciate him stopping by and hope we get a chance to do this again.

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As always, Go Duke!

Interview – Lee Rodio Previews Duke’s Upcoming Season

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Friend of the podcast Lee Rodio stopped by to preview Duke’s 2023 season. In addition to catching us up on what he’s been doing since his last interview, Lee gives his perspective on the strengths of the Blue Devils. He points out we have a great staff, a veteran team and talented people on the OL and DL. Lee is high on Duke and what the Blue Devils can accomplish this season. We also get into a discussion about one of the greatest Duke players ever – DeVon Edwards. And there’s a brief detour into a discussion about Ingles grocery stores. Oh, and happy late birthday to Noel Durfey!

During this excellent interview, Lee decides to set up shop in Cancelvania. Lee goes after Florida State, implies Clemson can’t compete outside of the ACC (his opinion, not mine), throws some shade at Dabo (again, his opinion, NOT MINE), unleashes a right hook on Pat Narduzzi and trashes the hurry-up offense. He also trashes Maryland, but that’s just stating facts.

I also take a trip to Cancelvania when I characterize the ACC’s marriage to Notre Dame as an abusive relationship. But, let’s be honest – the Notre Dame deal is going to turn the ACC into the Big East 2.0. Also, I say that the B1G is soft. Which, again, accurate.

Another key point in the interview involves the fact that I’m now an ordained minister in The Church of the Latter-Day Dude. Abide, my brothers and sisters. Abide.

Some of the conversation we had dealt with expansion which, as of the time of writing this, looks to be DOA. But, as of the time of editing this, may be back on. So, if you want to skip the expansion and get straight to the season preview, the timestamps are below:

0:00 – Introductory comments and general expansion issues

19:47 – Cal, Stanford, SMU and the future of the ACC

39:48 – Duke’s strengths for 2023 (and ancillary matters)

108:56 – Schedule prediction

131:53 – Open Mic

133:19 – Surprise announcement and ending

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Conference Restructuring – Reports of the ACC’s Death are Greatly Exaggerated

I think that, after what we saw with the death of the PAC-12, we can retire the term “conference realignment”. The destruction of a historic conference of champions goes well beyond mere realignment. It’s not quite apocalyptic, nor is it necessarily a doomsday scenario, at least not beyond the Pacific Coast, but it isn’t particularly great for Olympic sports. Instead of simple realignment, what we’ve witnessed of late seems a lot more like restructuring of the college landscape.

Naturally, there’s been a lot of wondering what the ACC will do in regard to expansion and why it isn’t doing anything now. Not unexpectedly, there’s a significant amount of grumbling that the ACC is dead or will be dead soon (looking at you, FSU). I’m not sure that’s correct. While administrators and university presidents naturally want more money for their schools (although how you can’t feed a college family on $30 plus million per year of TV money is beyond me), I don’t think the member institutions are going to be able to kill the ACC just yet.

Why? Well, the ACC is secure until 2036 or shortly before thanks to the Grant of Rights (barring something completely crazy occurring when Notre Dame gets a new TV deal). As far as whether the ACC will ultimately expand, I think that we need to look at a few important dates to answer that question. When we do that, we can see that nothing much will happen until the end of this decade and the start of the next. Why do I think that?

To begin with, ESPN really runs the ACC. It has the TV rights and, given that the B1G is making two West Coast teams go to Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, etc., we should all accept that TV money and broadcasting decisions are what matters. If ESPN finds a few teams it wants to add to its ACC portfolio, it will expand the conference. And if you don’t think that TV deals are what matters, consider when conference restructuring takes place.

The PAC-12’s grant of rights and broadcast deal comes to an end at the conclusion of this athletic season. It’s no coincidence that the teams are leaving when that deal ends. Prior to that, we saw Texas and Oklahoma announce they were leaving the B12 (now Super 16, to me) in 2021. They did this knowing that the B12 TV deal would end in 2025. Going back further, you saw the B12 lose Nebraska, Colorado, A&M and Missouri right around the time when its old deal was winding down and in the midst of a new one being signed in 2012. So, you should always expect movement to coincide with when TV deals are close to ending.

Which means what for the ACC? Well, in addition to the Notre Dame deal ending soon, the 3-5-5 is set to last until 2026 and the Raycom deal comes to an end in 2027, so we may see something then. But that may just result in some more revenue as opposed to adding new or losing old members. After that, we start looking into the 2030s for indications of when ACC restructuring may occur. In 2030, the B1G’s deal concludes. The 2031-32 season is when the AAC deal ends. The Super 16’s deal ends in 2031. Finally, the SEC deal ends in 2034 which is closest to when the ACC’s deal ends in 2036. So, if there are going to be changes, around 2030 and onward would be the key time to look for movement.

Whether teams want to move will depend on the deals their conferences make and what member institutions want to do. Does the ACC raid the AAC to increase numbers? Do member ACC schools look elsewhere and leave the ACC in the graveyard of conferences past? Or, does the ACC pick up schools from other P5 (or whatever number we’re going with now) conferences and grow that way? We don’t know, but we will know by the 2030s.

While some people question whether other P5 schools would want to leave their current conferences to join the ACC, I wouldn’t rule it out (although it’s all speculative and I concede that). David Hale pointed out that contraction may happen if the networks don’t want to pay underperforming teams much as the big dogs. Also, wouldn’t the big dogs benefit from dropping bad schools and distributing more money amongst fewer members? (Although, again, it doesn’t seem like any school is hurting for cash.) If that happens, would teams in the position that Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State are in right now look to the ACC as a natural landing spot? Again, who knows? All I know is we still have an ACC and I’m glad for that.

To conclude, if I’m a betting man, I don’t think we see much movement until we get closer to 2030, probably right around 2027 or 2028. That is right in the window when things start to happen with TV contracts and, as we’ve seen, that’s all that matters when it comes to conference restructuring. So, until then, I’d just ignore all the sound and fury as it signifies nothing. While the ACC could, according to some people, use a little more cash from its TV deal, we, as fans, should be glad that the Grant of Rights is holding the ACC together. Whether administrators feel the same way in about four years is a whole other matter.

I will say that expansion will probably need to happen if the conference wants to survive. Why? Look no further than the PAC-12. It sat on its hands, didn’t grow and now it’s about to be dead.

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Kade Parmelly

As we all know, former Duke offensive lineman Kade Parmelly traveled to the other side on July 7, 2023. We got introduced to Kade as a result of his year in Durham playing for the Blue Devils during what would be David Cutcliffe’s last year as Duke’s coach. Kade departed this world rather young, having only reached 24 years of age. We all got to know Kade a little better thanks to his interviews with the Duke FB Talk crew.

If you read Steve Wiseman’s article about Kade’s passing, it’s clear that everyone cared deeply for the young man. It sure seemed like he got along with everyone. A guy like that is pretty rare and the kind we don’t come across often enough.

With that in mind, me and Tim decided to record a tune to honor Kade’s memory. The song we chose is “Texas Quick Step”. We picked it because of Kade’s Texas roots. The tune is also known as “Rachel” or “Rachel’s Hornpipe.” It may be named after President Andrew Jackson’s wife, but who really knows with these old-time tunes. We hope you enjoy it.

Thank you for spending some time with the Blue Devils, Kade.

As always, Go Duke!