Interview – Marilyn Payne

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ESPN and ACC Network reporter and noted Tar Heel Marilyn Payne stopped by the pod to talk about her history covering Duke football, my conspiracy theory that she singlehandedly brought about the end of the Elko Era in Durham, FSU getting snubbed and how The ACC can improve its overall brand. We also talked about Manny Mania coming to Blue Devil Nation. Funny thing happened after that as we spent about 20 minutes disputing two points that, once we defined our terms, we agreed on. I edited that out for time. That edit notwithstanding, you will get an update about Marilyn’s upcoming plans for bowl seasons and which future ACC team she will be covering. And, if that weren’t enough, you’ll learn about Marilyn’s favorite movie and get a some real deep nerd references from me.

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Duke Hires Manny Diaz

It became official late last night – Duke hired Penn State DC Manny Diaz to be the program’s next head coach. We’ll do more in the next couple of weeks about this hire. But with bowl season, I’m a little backed up.

So, instead of doing a full post about why I like this hire and how I think it is a good one, I’ll just drop a link to a call I had with Adam Gold yesterday in which we discuss the Diaz hire before it became official. We cover what to expect from Diaz, the transfer portal and what this hire means for the Blue Devils. Hey, we just might be a football school after all!

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Interview – Steve Wiseman Talks Coaching Search and Birmingham Bowl

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Steve Wiseman stopped by to talk about a crazy, crazy week of Duke and ACC football. We begin by talking about how FSU got the shaft courtesy of Boo Corrigan, et al., as did SMU. And, most important, I got to use one of my favorite historical quotes. It’s Truman on Nixon. I mean, what else do you need?

After that, Steve and I talk about his hectic schedule trying to cover Elko’s departure from Durham and the Blue Devils’ coaching search. There’s a lot of ground to cover and Steve will tell you pretty much everything you need to know about what happened with Elko and how Nina King is leading Duke through this transitional period. If that weren’t enough, we also go over how the Blue Devils landed in the Birmingham Bowl and not the Gasparilla Bowl. Thanks, CFP Selection Committee. And Notre Dame.

Oh, and it turns out Duke has a basketball team. Who knew? In all seriousness, we spend some time trying to diagnose why the Blue Devils have been struggling out of the gate. As always, Steve was a great and informative guest. You’ll love this episode.

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Interview – Mike Elko Reaction Episode

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After a few voicemails and a message from former site contributor Mike Kline, Dad took a break from Richlandia to stop by and check in after Mike Elko left Duke for A&M. We talk about the current state of the program, possible head coach candidates and the program’s foundation. We all trust Nina King to bring a quality head coach to Durham. It may take a few years, but Dad feels confident that the Blue Devils will be 10-2 soon. Nothing can shake this man’s optimism for Duke football.

Programming note – stay tuned as we will have an interview with Steve Wiseman in the coming days. That will be a fun one. Steve is a great guest and always has something interesting to tell us. I can’t wait!

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Interview – Get to Know the Pitt Panthers with Noah Hiles

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First, let me apologize for some inconsistent audio quality. My Bluetooth headset kept cutting in and out on volume and I had to amplify the audio. Not sure why it happened. That can only mean I need a new headset. Any recommendations would be appreciated!

Pitt beat writer for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Noah Hiles stopped by to get us ready for a noon matchup with the Panthers at Wallace Wade. During this 5o+ minute interview, we talk about the struggles that Duke has had in beating Pitt, the disaster of a year the Panthers are going through and the fact that the Blue Devils have sort of kind of maybe fallen off after a good start.

In addition, we discuss the scheduling issues that ACC teams will continue face as a result of an unbalanced and ridiculously unfair schedule. To elaborate on that, there’s a reason that Duke is behind GA Tech, UNC and VA Tech this year. The Blue Devils have had, by far, the toughest schedule in The ACC. When you throw the injuries on top of that, this record shouldn’t be a surprise. Listen, guys, we’re just going to have to deal with getting a raw deal when it comes to the schedule. It’s not fair, but it is what it is.

Also, we get a guest pick from former Duke WR Ben Erdeljac! He’s taking the Blue Devils to close the season on a win. Let’s Go!!!

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Interview – Get to Know the Wake Forest Demon Deacons with Conor O’Neill

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Conor O’Neill, co-host of the Big J & Little J Show and publisher for Deacons and Devils Illustrated, stopped by to preview Duke’s upcoming Thursday night game. During our interview, we discuss Wake’s struggles on offense, the chances it has left to get bowl eligible and we do a deep dive on the Blue Devils. During the Duke portion of the discussion, we recap the loss at Louisville, cover the struggles at the WR position, discuss the uncertainty surrounding the health of our quarterbacks and try to comprehend the slew of injuries that have struck the Blue Devils of late. My conclusion is that we’re fortunate to have a great coaching staff and we have to hope their tactical expertise will get the Blue Devils a victory on Thursday night. We’re lucky to have the staff that we have and we have to hope those guys will right the ship.

Oh, and it turns out we landed a big, big guest for the UNC preview. We didn’t drop the name in the episode, but this is a guy with significant coaching experience at CHC. You’re going to enjoy this one, I promise.

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Interview – Get to Know Duke Basketball with Robert Brickey

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All-time Duke great Robert Brickey returned to the podcast to get us ready for the Blue Devils’ basketball team. (Turns out this team has been around for a while. Who knew? I always thought Duke was just a football school, but I’m glad to learn.) During the interview, we discussed Robert’s upcoming wedding, give glowing reviews to Coach Scheyer and are both high on the Blue Devils’ chances this season. Robert also gives his perspective on conference restructuring and how it may be time to separate football and Olympic sports going forward. Oh, and we talk about how well the football team has been doing since Elko & Co. got to Durham. This was a fun talk with a great guest.

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Interview – Get to Know the FSU Seminoles with Ehsan Kassim

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To get ready for a big road game this Saturday, I sat down with FSU beat writer Ehsan Kassim. During our talk, we went over Ehsan’s Seminole origin story, his SEC roots and then got into Duke’s upcoming opponent. We covered how Mike Norvell utilized the transfer portal to build the team, the overall strengths of FSU and how the teams will match up with one another in Doak Campbell Stadium. We also talked about CFP scenarios and speculated about what the Committee would do with one loss PAC-12 and ACC teams come selection time.

We listen to a few voicemails, discuss how the Blue Devils did against NC State, check in on Richlandia during the prediction segment and get Joey Finison to stop by with a guest pick. I also botch a Fight Club quote (the actual quote is “In the Tibetan philosophy, Sylvia Plath sense of the word, we’re all dying. But you’re not dying the way Chloe is dying.” And, of course, I detour into Roman history. I mean, why wouldn’t I?

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Conference Restructuring – Reports of the ACC’s Death are Greatly Exaggerated

I think that, after what we saw with the death of the PAC-12, we can retire the term “conference realignment”. The destruction of a historic conference of champions goes well beyond mere realignment. It’s not quite apocalyptic, nor is it necessarily a doomsday scenario, at least not beyond the Pacific Coast, but it isn’t particularly great for Olympic sports. Instead of simple realignment, what we’ve witnessed of late seems a lot more like restructuring of the college landscape.

Naturally, there’s been a lot of wondering what the ACC will do in regard to expansion and why it isn’t doing anything now. Not unexpectedly, there’s a significant amount of grumbling that the ACC is dead or will be dead soon (looking at you, FSU). I’m not sure that’s correct. While administrators and university presidents naturally want more money for their schools (although how you can’t feed a college family on $30 plus million per year of TV money is beyond me), I don’t think the member institutions are going to be able to kill the ACC just yet.

Why? Well, the ACC is secure until 2036 or shortly before thanks to the Grant of Rights (barring something completely crazy occurring when Notre Dame gets a new TV deal). As far as whether the ACC will ultimately expand, I think that we need to look at a few important dates to answer that question. When we do that, we can see that nothing much will happen until the end of this decade and the start of the next. Why do I think that?

To begin with, ESPN really runs the ACC. It has the TV rights and, given that the B1G is making two West Coast teams go to Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, etc., we should all accept that TV money and broadcasting decisions are what matters. If ESPN finds a few teams it wants to add to its ACC portfolio, it will expand the conference. And if you don’t think that TV deals are what matters, consider when conference restructuring takes place.

The PAC-12’s grant of rights and broadcast deal comes to an end at the conclusion of this athletic season. It’s no coincidence that the teams are leaving when that deal ends. Prior to that, we saw Texas and Oklahoma announce they were leaving the B12 (now Super 16, to me) in 2021. They did this knowing that the B12 TV deal would end in 2025. Going back further, you saw the B12 lose Nebraska, Colorado, A&M and Missouri right around the time when its old deal was winding down and in the midst of a new one being signed in 2012. So, you should always expect movement to coincide with when TV deals are close to ending.

Which means what for the ACC? Well, in addition to the Notre Dame deal ending soon, the 3-5-5 is set to last until 2026 and the Raycom deal comes to an end in 2027, so we may see something then. But that may just result in some more revenue as opposed to adding new or losing old members. After that, we start looking into the 2030s for indications of when ACC restructuring may occur. In 2030, the B1G’s deal concludes. The 2031-32 season is when the AAC deal ends. The Super 16’s deal ends in 2031. Finally, the SEC deal ends in 2034 which is closest to when the ACC’s deal ends in 2036. So, if there are going to be changes, around 2030 and onward would be the key time to look for movement.

Whether teams want to move will depend on the deals their conferences make and what member institutions want to do. Does the ACC raid the AAC to increase numbers? Do member ACC schools look elsewhere and leave the ACC in the graveyard of conferences past? Or, does the ACC pick up schools from other P5 (or whatever number we’re going with now) conferences and grow that way? We don’t know, but we will know by the 2030s.

While some people question whether other P5 schools would want to leave their current conferences to join the ACC, I wouldn’t rule it out (although it’s all speculative and I concede that). David Hale pointed out that contraction may happen if the networks don’t want to pay underperforming teams much as the big dogs. Also, wouldn’t the big dogs benefit from dropping bad schools and distributing more money amongst fewer members? (Although, again, it doesn’t seem like any school is hurting for cash.) If that happens, would teams in the position that Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State are in right now look to the ACC as a natural landing spot? Again, who knows? All I know is we still have an ACC and I’m glad for that.

To conclude, if I’m a betting man, I don’t think we see much movement until we get closer to 2030, probably right around 2027 or 2028. That is right in the window when things start to happen with TV contracts and, as we’ve seen, that’s all that matters when it comes to conference restructuring. So, until then, I’d just ignore all the sound and fury as it signifies nothing. While the ACC could, according to some people, use a little more cash from its TV deal, we, as fans, should be glad that the Grant of Rights is holding the ACC together. Whether administrators feel the same way in about four years is a whole other matter.

I will say that expansion will probably need to happen if the conference wants to survive. Why? Look no further than the PAC-12. It sat on its hands, didn’t grow and now it’s about to be dead.

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Interview – Conor O’Neill

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Conor O’Neill, who you all know from his work for Duke and Deacons Illustrated, stopped by for a great talk about instant replay, the importance of local journalism and the changing landscape of sports media, what to expect from the Blue Devils and Wake football teams next season and why Duke-Wake Forest should be a bigger rivalry. Duke-Miami 2015 gets a fairly detailed discussion, too. And, if that weren’t enough, we also have a little conversation about basketball which will require some clarification from me. So, let me take care of that now.

We recorded the interview on Thursday night. The next morning, while I drove down to see my parents, Dad got a call from Coach K. Yes, that Coach K. A friend of my brother’s from high school somehow got in touch with Coach K or his people and Dad got a surprise call. Coach K wanted to make sure Dad was eating and gaining weight during chemo. They also talked about the legacy that teachers have through their students. Thank you, Coach, for doing that. We can’t put into words just how much we appreciate your kindness.

So, while some may interpret a few comments I made about the state of the roster when Coach Scheyer took over as critical of how Coach K left things, I want to be clear that what I was saying is that Coach K is the finest human being who deserves nothing but praise and anything that could be considered as criticism of him is simply heresy. And I, for one, will never engage in such criticism as I am a totally positive person who only sees the good things in life and strenuously avoids negativity. The below is my motto

Thank you, Coach K, and my brother’s friend, for the phone call. It really picked up Dad yesterday.

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